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hymnia
hymnia
Joie
Wed, Dec. 3rd, 2008 11:18 pm
Avatar Book 2, Disc 3 – spoiler-free reaction post

This disc has audio commentary on chapters 12 and 14. Info from the commentary tracks will be marked with a "C".


Chapter 11: The Desert

I love the Pai Sho game. I get such a thrill, even the second time around, when the revelation that "it's more than just a game" comes. <333


Chapter 12: Journey to Ba Sing Se, Part 1 – The Serpent's Pass

Commentary track:
Bryan Konietako – Co-Creator
Michael Dante DiMartino – Co-Creator
Josh Hamilton – Co-Writer

Cabbage seller! I think this is his third appearance. Also, I believe the expecting couple the Gaang leads across the Serpent's Pass is the same one Zuko decided not to rob in "Zuko Alone". Yay for continuity!

C: I WAS RITE! It is the same couple.

C: They use the word "shipping", referring to Toph rescuing Sokka (and Toph's annoyance that he doesn't pay any attention to her).

Whoa! Aang just declined a hug from Katara. That's messed up.

Love the shining half-moon behind Sokka and Suki's non-kiss in this episode. Even my brother, who is watching this out of order and hasn't yet seen the North Pole episodes, commented, "Wow, the moon is really bright in that scene!"

C: So there's a long segment of the commentary in which they talk about the writing process, especially how two writers collaborate, since Mike wrote the "B story" on this episode. It's pretty interesting, especially if you have any interest in collaborative writing—which I do. It's actually giving me an idea of how my theatre group might approach writing our next script.

C: Little incidents where Momo does something cute or funny are called "MoMoments" in the writers' room.

Cheek kiss! Um…and it's Suki and Toph. I think I'll spare Toph the embarrassment of including this one in the tally.

But I will include the Sokka/Suki kisses (both the cheek kiss at the beginning, and the lip kiss at the end):

Sokka: Cheek kisses: 2, Lip kisses: 3
Aang: Cheek kisses: 1, Lip kisses: 1
Katara: Cheek kisses: 1, Lip kisses: 1
Suki: Cheek kisses: 2, Lip kisses: 1
Yue: Cheek kisses: 0, Lip kisses: 2


Chapter 13: Journey to Ba Sing Se, Part 2 – The Drill

And the girls are back! <333 Whenever they reappear after a multi-episode absence, I always wonder what they were doing in between. The last time we saw them was in "The Chase". Unlike season 1, which followed Zuko almost as closely as the Gaang, season 2 has pursuing villains that are a little more shrouded in mystery, I think.

General Sung=another grown-up idiot. Okay, maybe it's not the grown-ups. Maybe it's just any military or political leaders in the Earth Kingdom. Oh, except King Bumi.

Oh man, I just caught the sound of the whirring lips that were mentioned in the audio commentary and the behind-the-scenes feature on sound effects. It's during Aang's battle with Azula, though it wasn't clear to me what the sound was supposed to be. ajdklajfkdl


Chapter 14: City of Walls and Secrets

Commentary track:
Bryan Konietako – Co-Creator
Michael Dante DiMartino – Co-Creator
Elsa Garagarza – Background Supervisor

C: This commentary explains what the background supervisor does, which is basically to design the way the places look. I admit, I don't find this that interesting.

I love the music played under Joo Dee's first appearance. It's so eeeevil-sounding.

C: Joo Dee is based on the show's line production manager. I wonder how she feels about that.

"Life happens wherever you are, whether you make it or not." <333 Iroh's words of wisdom.

So this episode is the beginning of Iroh's tea-shop career. I need an Iroh tea icon. Too bad I'm out of icon space. :(

It's funny that the University student they talk to doesn't seem to realize that Professor Zei isn't around (much less that he isn't coming back).

C: Bryke had always planned that something would be wrong with Ba Sing Se, but the 1984-style false utopia came later, while the script was being written.

The girls look so adorable in their high-society clothes.

Ah, I love to see Zuko with those dual swords. He cuts Jet's straw! <333

Sokka's Momo-ghost plan was funny. I think it would have been hilarious if they'd actually used a Momo-ghost distraction in a later episode.

C: Earthbending up to this point has been big and brutal; they wanted to make the Dai Li more subtle, so they gave them the earth gloves.

I can't help but think, when watching the conversation with Long Feng in the library, that the kids should have just taken their plan to one of the Earth Kingdom generals instead. Ah well. I suppose that would have short-circuited the plot.


Chapter 15: Tales of Ba Sing Se

Toph and Katara: The girls definitely did a better job on their own makeup in the previous episode than the beauticians did in this one.

Iroh: Iroh is just made of awesome, spreading cheer wherever he goes. I love every one of his little encounters in this episode—though the last one makes me cry.

Aang: Aang's story features the fourth cabbage seller appearance. But still no Appa. I remember I was getting really tense about Appa's absence by this time during my first watch.

Sokka: Oh, Sokka. I had totally forgotten about this: the haiku ladies, yet another example of Sokka's pure pheromone power! (Not to mention poetry!) fjka;jdfak;ldjfa;l

Zuko: Zuko's hair at the start of his date is awful. Good move on Jin's part to immediately mess it up properly. It's a good thing Jin is very self-confident and thick-skinned. Geez. Poor girl. Zuko is the opposite of charm. BUT I was still very pleased to see my favorite boy get some action, even if he doesn't exactly deserve it. The new tally:

Sokka: Cheek kisses: 2, Lip kisses: 3
Aang: Cheek kisses: 1, Lip kisses: 1
Katara: Cheek kisses: 1, Lip kisses: 1
Suki: Cheek kisses: 2, Lip kisses: 1
Yue: Cheek kisses: 0, Lip kisses: 2
Zuko: Cheek kisses: 0, Lip kisses: 1
Jin: Cheek kisses: 0, Lip kisses: 1

Momo: Momo's dream about Appa at the beginning makes me so sad. I agree with Bryke (from one of the featurettes): Appa/Momo is a good ship to inquire about. theirloveissocuteandfuzzy

Joie

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orcapotter
orcapotter
Orca キンバリー
Thu, Dec. 4th, 2008 04:46 am (UTC)

If you watch Tales of Ba Sing Se and not cry during Iroh's tale? You have no soul. Probably one of the most beautiful character moments of the entire series, hands down.


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peachespig
peachespig
peachespig
Thu, Dec. 4th, 2008 07:39 am (UTC)

IAWTC


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peachespig
peachespig
peachespig
Thu, Dec. 4th, 2008 07:39 am (UTC)

They use the word "shipping", referring to Toph rescuing Sokka (and Toph's annoyance that he doesn't pay any attention to her).

What did they say?? Did they shed any interesting light on whether they had any thoughts or plans for this crush?

Little incidents where Momo does something cute or funny are called "MoMoments" in the writers' room.

You know, I just kind of... blip over Momo usually. With the exception of Tales and a certain dream sequence in season 3, I don't feel like he ever does anything too memorable. I guess I don't think the show would be too different without him; he just sort of fleshes out Aang a little. Now Appa on the other hand...

I remember I was getting really tense about Appa's absence by this time during my first watch.

I really was, too. I don't consider myself that much of an Appaphile or anything, but the idea that he might be dead or never return as genuinely upsetting to me. I took it as a sign of how much I had started to care about the characters and their world.

Oh, Sokka. I had totally forgotten about this: the haiku ladies, yet another example of Sokka's pure pheromone power!

How could you forget
Sokka's haiku mastery?
Girls all lose their minds.

BUT I was still very pleased to see my favorite boy get some action, even if he doesn't exactly deserve it.

Jin is pretty foxy. I thought it was just like Zuko to sort of show little to no interest in a sweet, perky, outgoing, conventionally pretty girl who basically throws herself at him. But I want to think that Jin found some nice boy who appreciates her!

Appa/Momo is a good ship to inquire about.

aldfsakldfalksjdfhaskldjf

Their love is so inappropriately sized!


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hymnia
hymnia
Joie
Thu, Dec. 4th, 2008 10:56 pm (UTC)

What did they say?? Did they shed any interesting light on whether they had any thoughts or plans for this crush?

LOL, are you giving in to that "stubborn impulse"? Or just eager to close up the plot hole?

I can't tell the difference between Bryan and Mike's voices, and this transcript is probably not 100% precise (it omits some "ums" and "ya knows"), but it was something like this:

"So maybe there's some inklings of some shipping here."
"Yeah, there's a little Toph/Sokka something going on there, but...you know, it's also a little Goonies"
"You're right."
*they snigger*

I think he meant the falling rocks were like the obstacles the kids in Goonies face. They may have been poking fun at paying too much attention to the shipping at the expense of the plot/action, etc. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it. It struck me as being like the featurette where they answer a question about Zutara be redirecting to Appa/Momo.

I don't consider myself that much of an Appaphile or anything, but the idea that he might be dead or never return as genuinely upsetting to me. I took it as a sign of how much I had started to care about the characters and their world.

Yes! That's it exactly.

I thought it was just like Zuko to sort of show little to no interest in a sweet, perky, outgoing, conventionally pretty girl who basically throws herself at him.

Hee. Well, I admit I did sort of wish he would go for a girl like that. But I see now he needed something quite different.


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demonalchemist9
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demonalchemist9
Fri, Dec. 5th, 2008 12:45 am (UTC)

I can't help but think, when watching the conversation with Long Feng in the library, that the kids should have just taken their plan to one of the Earth Kingdom generals instead. Ah well. I suppose that would have short-circuited the plot.

Yeah, but you have to remember these are pretty honest kids. They haven't dealt with much in the way of government or politics. I doubt they'd expect or know how to deal with something like what happens in Ba Sing Se. The fact that kids that age deal so well with all that they do is pretty amazing too.


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peachespig
peachespig
peachespig
Fri, Dec. 5th, 2008 08:20 am (UTC)

LOL, are you giving in to that "stubborn impulse"? Or just eager to close up the plot hole?

Heh, I'm not much of a Tokka shipper, I was just curious about an apparent plot strand being introduced that went unresolved. It does seem that Bryke love to make fun of anyone paying any attention to shipping whatsoever. I don't particularly expect creators to take shipping as seriously as fans do, but generally I expect that when an apparent clue to a plot development occurs, it is significant and will lead somewhere. But these guys seem to just kind of throw things in there and not worry about it.


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