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Dangerous books - A Sorta Fairytale
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Sat, Nov. 19th, 2011 10:18 pm
Dangerous books


Sun, Nov. 20th, 2011 07:49 pm (UTC)

Actually, come to think of it, my approach to both sets of books is similar. I never put Twilight on my classroom bookshelves, either. But most teens I know are already well aware of the series and have chosen to either read or reject them on their own, without my influence. So Twilight is more like the scenario I described in the last part of my post, where I find myself not in a position to influence whether or not someone reads them, so I would instead want to discuss them and help them think critically about the books. (I do recommend the books to adults, though, or not so much recommend them as encourage adults not to avoid them. To be perfectly honest, I enjoyed reading the books--in much the same way I used to enjoy watching soap operas in my teens. I recognize they are problematic in many ways, but there's something about them that keeps me turning the pages.)

I will add that my concerns about HDM are much stronger than for Twilight, because my religious faith is very dear and personal. The HDM books are just very offensive at points. I enjoyed 80% of them, because they are creative and well-written, and the characters are so engaging. But there are certain parts that just hurt to read and think about. The HDM books bother me more, if that makes sense. It's a personal choice.

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Sun, Nov. 20th, 2011 09:46 pm (UTC)

Yes, HDM was popular quite some time ago. I read it around the year 2000. I liked it actually, it was a page-turner to me, even though I am Christian too (then more than now, but I am still a member of the church, only an inactive one.)

My most important objection to the book would be that its portrayal of Christianity is factually inaccurate and has nothing to do with the religion I was raised in. It's typical for a lot of atheist or "humanist" criticism of religion, which is often directed against a strawman that has nothing to do with protestant Christianity in Germany, nor with typical Catholic people here (though the present pope is really problematic.) On the other hand, since I grew up I have met people who have encountered the kind of religion Pullman writes about, and also, coming to think of it, if the reformation had been successful in the conventional way, that is not splitting off but really reforming the Catholic church, it might have become as powerful as in HDM. It's the church's controversies within itself (e.g. between different denominations), with other religions and with secular movements as the European Enlightenment that tamed it.

(Pullman is not the only militant atheist who needs a caricature of church to rant against. Dawkins does the same for adults. It's when I found out that he is one of the best-know sociobiologists that I ceased to take him seriously. I am interested in the forms of atheism/humanism that come up with a morality that's founded on reason and no longer needs God as its foundation, but I don't take any interest in big boys who simply want the right to do whatever they want.)

I really like the demons in "HDM" - they alone are worth the books. They make me think of Socrates' daimonion, and of Hannah Arendt's idea of being in dialogue with yourself, and that this is what protects you against becoming evil.

There's other things in HDM that are far more problematic than the rants against Christianity. One of them is the uncritical acceptance of magical artefacts for truthtelling, and even worse, the idea of death he seems to prefer to that of Christianity: dissolving and becoming one with the universe. It seems taken from Buddhism, but Buddhism can be as problematic as Christianity.

(Though in the end it's not that bad, and not better or worse than the idea of death promoted by Christianity. The real problem about both ideas about death is that they may be abused to turn people into obedient subjects who will wait for the next life instead of demanding justice now. It always depends: Hoping for some afterlife may also give you courage to resist political authority.)

And then there's the usual conservative rubbish: Child of destiny who saves the world, while other people sacrifice themselves for her. I still wonder about the psychological explanation why this is so important to children.

But all in all the story is suffiently well-written to make it worth reading. There's a lot of ideas in it that are worth thinking about, and children who know a different version of Christianity than the strawman in the book won't be turned away from their faith. The real problem is atheists who feel confirmed in their disgust, instead of setting out and having a look at religion in its various forms.

On the other hand, Twilight is a book I would never recommend neither to a child nor an adult. Actually I would warn adults against it, not because I think the books dangerous, but because I think them a waste of time and money. For me they weren't even page-turners - I had to force me to make my way through the first volume, which is very rare with me with "light reading." (Actually I only read the first volume, and mostly because I am "reading mentor" to a girl who loves the books. I wanted to be able to discuss the books with her. With the other volumes I decided that reading summaries was enough.)

I guess it's because I am too old to long for that kind of wish fulfillment that I didn't enjoy the book. I know the regressive yearning for someone who takes upon him the burden of your life, but I have also learnt to turn away from that kind of yearning.

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Mon, Nov. 21st, 2011 12:31 am (UTC)

I started to write a line-by-line response to this, but I found that it essentially amounted to me nodding and saying, "I agree" to almost everything you posted. Your views on the problems with the HDM books are very similar to mine. I especially take exception to how it portrays the Christian view of life after death as inherently more dangerous than other views. And it rankles to see Pullman throw insults at a version of Christianity that is, as you say, mostly a strawman (although I admit some of the criticism has merit), seemingly to promote reason over faith, while at the same time drawing off of mystical ideas from Buddhism and the I Ching. It's like he's saying, "Religion is bad--but only if it's Western religion."

As for Twilight, well, I think it does reveal some things about the inner life of teen girls, and sometimes of women who are past (maybe long past) their teens. Some women may find these things embarrassing or unworthy of womankind, but the reality is that these books wouldn't be as popular as they are if they didn't have a certain resonance with many girls and women. And that phenomenon is, in and of itself, worth exploring and discussing, IMO. So I think the books are worth reading. And I freely admit to enjoying them, although I accept that is not and will not be everyone's experience.

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